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2016 SS air ducts vs SS front brake cooling

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Background from at least one past thread - breaking this out into a separate discussion topic

2016 Order Guide is up
quotes below

The language of the MY16 pre-production update is OK by me--I just have to believe that IF GM has found that ducting air into the wheelhouse is an "aerodynamic improvement", there is going to be a collateral effect that provides a net benefit in the area of brake cooling. No, not as effective as a dedicated duct system as Lambert has created for other vehicles and is now working on for the SS, but still, it won't hurt.
Presumptuous on my part--seeing it now suggests that it is strictly for whatever aero benefit that it provides.

"Front fascia includes a duct on each side to direct airflow into the front wheel arch for aerodynamic improvement"
Likely to be in the location commonly thought of when thinking of brake ducts but no ducting to direct air at the brakes. Hopefully they look more like the new Camaro SS than the Regal GS.
Clearly not the case...

As "Taze" stated, these ducts seem to just vent out the wheel opening as an "aerodynamic improvement". This is nowhere near where a duct has to go to cool the brakes. That would have to be routed to the inside of the front wheel (which moves around a lot) to do any brake cooling. And, as "DSpence" has seen, that is a difficult thing to accomplish effectively.
Another post in this earlier discussion attempted to suggest this was a useless change--and I will continue to maintain that GM doesn't spend money for these types of changes "because they can"....it has to be justified, cost-wise and result in a net benefit in some way.

whatever the true purpose of these ducts added for 2016, GM/Holden doesn't add such components for "show", especially something that isn't visible--those parts and their fitment cost money. To suggest it's a net saving by eliminating the fog/driving lights, the other changes to the front end lighting would appear to be part of the solution to being able to utilize the space formerly occupied by the fogs, savings or not.
This is all preface to some new information—I finally remembered to look up the parts info for the 2016 SS front end air ducting—the official parts description is as follows:

DUCT, FRONT BUMPER FASCIA OUTER AIR
L 92289868
R 92289869

While I can only try to post the illustration, the best way to describe these ducts are they are flat and wide, mounted standing on edge, maybe 8-10 inches tall and no more than a couple of inches wide.

The duct connects to the wheelhouse liner:
LINER, FRONT WHEEL
L 92277469
R 92277470

These liners are shown as 2016 only parts, and it appears that the attachment point for the ducts is just inside the edge of the front fender sheetmetal—in other words, the air is directed nowhere near the brakes, but is released into the outboard half of the tire/wheel front face (as best as I can describe it without seeing an actual 2016 SS). Vertically, the duct appears to cover an arc on the forward half of the fender opening that, on the driver’s side, would run approximately between 8 o’clock and 10 o’clock.

FWIW, the 2016 Front Bumper Facsia (to work with ducts) is 92286075

FRONT BRAKE COOLING OPTIONS

Ultimately brings us back to this - the Lambert duct package
What I did this Saturday

As far as a brake cooling “solution”, this thread (link above) delves into the topic further…discussion starts here Chevy SS Forum - View Single Post - What I did this Saturday

Do you know if they fit the SS Brembos?
What I can confirm is that, as Lambert (Lambert367 here on Forums) has indicated, the difference in front knuckle configuration between earlier Zeta (VE/WM – up to 2013) vs Zeta II (VF/WN, starting in 2014) has dictated a difference in the “backing plate” (debris shield) used.

I have confirmed that all G8 and 2011-2013 Caprice PPV used one front backing plate design—regardless of caliper installed (single-piston/PPV, twin-piston/G8 GT, or Brembo 4-piston/G8 GXP) and all 2014 & later Chevy SS and Caprice PPV use another front backing plate design—again, regardless of calipers installed.

So, the existing Lambert G8 (VE) brake cooling kits will also work on 2011-2013 (WM) Caprice PPV, and it has been acknowledged that a new configuration of this system is in the works for VF/WN (2014> newer Zeta)
 
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All great info until Chevy marketing un does it and adds more confusion with their description of the ducts on Chevrolet.com.

 
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I recall either making a similar comment or that someone else had mentioned the same thing previously--yes, "Marketing" does not equate to any understanding of engineering. The average tire-kicker isn't likely to pay much attention--has to be frustrating for the effort to be put in to make changes like this and then see them bastardized by people who don't have a clue....
 
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I have a parts illustration--can scan and send for now, still trying to figure out how to post it (and not get into trouble with GM)

I doubt the exit will provide any useful purpose
There has to be some silver lining in the change--so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the engineers, but, like was done with the Z/28 when it was introduced, and the C7 Corvette, I'd like to see something that more graphically demonstrates the results of the change(s), not that I'm at all skeptical--but yours is a fair "question"....what useful purpose has resulted?

That said, other than the cosmetics, have you noted any benefits from the Camaro hood vent panel on your SS?
 
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Without test data, we can't say if there is a net improvement or reduction in brake cooling. Less turbulence around and within the wheel well may reduce brake cooling and not improve it. Unless shown otherwise, I'm of the opinion that any effect on brake thermodynamics is likely quite small and unimportant for a street car.
 
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There was a previous discussion regarding the front bumper air duct venting and if it was functional. There is a picture floating around the net showing the duct behind the bumper. Is this the one Navy?


There is also a picture of some wind tunnel testing demonstrating that it does indeed pass through. Whether or not it is functional as a BRAKE cooling duct, remains to be seen but unlikely.


Chevy SS Forum - View Single Post - 2016 Holden Commodore VF Series II pics
 

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There is a picture floating around the net showing the duct behind the bumper. Is this the one Navy?

Chevy SS Forum - View Single Post - 2016 Holden Commodore VF Series II pics
The picture in your post is not the part used in the 2016 front fascia, and it is quite apparent that any brake cooling benefit is strictly incidental--the air flow path is nowhere near the brakes, if you consider that serious brake cooling efforts would be designed to direct air toward the eye of the rotor, on the inboard side.

current CTS-V brake air flow directors:


Image


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#12 · (Edited)
Maybe contact Monash University Engineering dept for their findings: http://eng.monash.edu/mechanical/about/holden.html
'An element of the facelifted Commodore’s design that was important to Holden was the adoption of functional bonnet scoops and air intakes in the front fascia. These were developed by Holden’s own engineers, with support from Monash University, allowing the use of its wind tunnel'

'Mr. Holmes also described the challenges in introducing the new 6.2-litre engine and pointed to the revised design of the car as a key factor in enhancing many of the cars performance attributes.

“One of the considerations in utilising the bigger engine is heat management and airflow. We spent time at Monash University to develop aerodynamic performance and engaged heavily with our design team to make sure we didn’t miss a thing,” said Mr. Holmes

All VFII sports models receive a new front fascia complete with a larger grille, facilitating improved cooling airflow. Additionally fascia ducts allow for improved aerodynamic performance by reducing the size of the wake off the front corner of the vehicle.

VFII V8 sports models receive a further engine cooling aide in hood vents that allow the release of hot air directly out of the engine bay whilst simultaneously giving the car a more aggressive appearance. The hood vents have also been engineered to effectively redirect water away from critical electrical components in the engine bay.

Holden’s Design Director, Richard Ferlazzo, said VFII’s design changes complimented the engineering work done under the hood and ensured the car continued to stand out on the road.'
 
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