The 1st muscle car era I had a new 69 superbee & a 70 1/2 z 28.In the current era ive had a 06 gt mustang and currently have a 13 rt challenger do you think its feasible chevy will retro this platform in the form of a 66 to 70 chevelle ss 2 door and offer a 5 or 6 speed
will this happen ?
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Yeah, like the hhr!:wink:
In my mind we are getting the last of the 'old school' by today and future standards naturally aspirated understressed V-8s without VVT, cylinder deactivation, start-stop, supercharger, turbocharger, 8-9-10 speed autos that do nothing but shift, manuals with skip shift, default eco modes and whatever is here/coming to meet CAFE in the future.
The future is here NOW.
Fun will still be had going forward ... if you can live with all the above and more and don't mind highly stressed and tweaked 6, 4, and 3 cylinders.
The 3.6TT will be top dog in a short couple of years unless you get to near supercar $$ to keep the volume low because of CAFE.
Just not my cup of tea.
The GNX was awesome in it's day. My ex's uncle bought one of the last made new and during the family Christmas get together piled 4 of us plus him in it and went for a ride that I remember to this day! He was a schlub though; pulled back up in front of the house with the turbocharger still spinning down and shut it off before it wound down all the way! All with less than 500 miles on the clock. He never read that you had to idle it for a few minutes after the turbo wound down before shutting it off to cool it down!
It's the end of the world as us old guys know it which is why I bought and am keeping my SS for the long haul.
The Grand Natty is the key to my analogy, not the substance of it.
The GNX was a mighty fine car by any measure, just surrounded by Testarossa's that ran 0-60 in 6.4, Mustang GT's that ran 8.5, and Supras and Rx's that somehow qualified as exciting with 9.0's.
When the new regs kick in, you'll have outliers with the V6 turbo that will be the grand natty of the era, no real muscle cars, and a bunch of physics limited ricer crap around it.
One of the things I like about NA port injected V-8's without much additional tech, is simplicity, and it's commensurate reliability effects.
It's easy for some people to forget that their ultra-tech TTV6 is a very difficult thing to make run well for the duration.
It's easy for some people to forget that their ultra-tech TTV6 is a very difficult thing to make run well for the duration.
I wouldn't mind a Chevelle with the 3.6TT
although do keep in mind Chevy is actively trying to purchase Tesla. If they can bring Tesla and its soon to be two zero emission vehicles on board it instantly zaps CAFE lower meaning they can offer more bonkers V8s
especially if they trickle the tech into GM EV's.
I'd be cool with a lineup half EV and half 8's LOL
although do keep in mind Chevy is actively trying to purchase Tesla. If they can bring Tesla and its soon to be two zero emission vehicles on board it instantly zaps CAFE lower meaning they can offer more bonkers V8s
especially if they trickle the tech into GM EV's. I'd be cool with a lineup half EV and half 8's LOL
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IMO GM has been doing forced induction long enough, they seem to have a pretty good handle on them. They have enough confidence in their R&D they are able to give them all a 5/100 warranty. Personally I've had two so far in the LNF and LSA, and am very happy with the performance and reliability in both.
I think the Gen 6 Camaro will be a big game changer in pony cars. I see them using the LT1 and LT4 in the Alpha platform car, and that will be crazy fast.
I think Camaro 6G is going to get some kind of forced induction. I don't know if GM can go head to the EcoBoost Mustangs 4 cylinder but they could certainly drop the 3.6 TT into as an option on the 8. Just look at the success the EcoBoost F150 is showing (45% of F150 volume) and its pretty much a no brainier Camaro gets it...
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I think any powertrain you find in the Cadillac ATS you'll see in the next gen Camaro. Base 4 cylinder, force fed 4 cylinder, V6 and rumored TTV6, and possibly the ATS even sees some version of the new LT1 engine. GM is smart enough to offer V8's in the next gen Camaro but I expect they will be pricey. $75,695 for the Z/28 is pretty healthy.... suspect we will say the same things about Gen6 V8's...
perhaps but they also can't stray too far from the Mustang GT. or risk pricing themselves out of the market. I think its the TT 6 thats going to be the premium option, although the 8 is going to get knocked as a gas guzzla.
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No argument but the Mustang has been trailing the Camaro in sales. GM is likely to want to maintain the sales leadership in this segment. There is also the whole concept of validated powertrains and EPA certifications to deal with. This validation process is lengthy and costly hence the reason we did not see the M6 transmission in the 2014 SS.
Based on my knowledge of GM's validation process I don't see them straying too far away from what is available in the ATS. Case in point; the 259 horse turbo 4 (LTG I believe) in the Regal GS for 2014 used to be 270 horse (LHU) in prior versions. You can get this same engine, FWD that is, in the turbo Malibu. I suspect this was a cost savings move....
Consumers are definitely more in tune with turbo motors these days than back in the 80's when Ford introduced the Mustang SVO. They make great power and people like me appreciate the horsepower and torque of a turbo motor. That said if I can get better performance for equal to or slightly more money in the form of a naturally aspirated V8 I'm likely to head that way. I love the fact Ford is going to introduce a 300+ horse turbo 4 in the Mustang; I think it makes great sense. But if GM can continue to outsell Ford in the lower displacement Camaro's there isn't a competitive reason to bump horsepower from 259 or 272 to over 300.
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Not likely. The Chevy SS/Holden Commodore is built on the Zeta platform, which is now at the end of its life (especially with GM shuttering the Elizabeth, Australia plant in 2017). It is offered in 3 body styles (sedan, wagon, and Ute) on the VF chassis and sedan only on the long-wheelbase WM chassis (Holden/Chevrolet Caprice), though, technically, the Ute is a long-wheelbase VF. Camaro is also built on a shortened version of the Zeta platform.
Next-gen Camaro (2015?) is reported to be built on the Alpha platform, which is shared with the Cadillac ATS, so when the Commodore dies in 2017, so will Zeta. I just can't see them investing the resources to build another body style for such a short run. They'd likely never recoup the investment.
Would they build a Chevelle coupe on the Alpha? Not likely since it would directly compete with the Camaro, though there are rumors of an Alpha platform Buick Grand National floating around. We'll see if that comes to pass.
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MT mag talking about what they seem to know about powertrains coming for the ATS and CTS. Hard to imagine much of a change for the next gen Camaro.
Cadillac ATS-V to Get 425-HP Twin-Turbo V-6 - Motor Trend WOT
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