[SSS]

I come on this forum and the SS is thriving, someone is getting a new one everyday, most are having trouble even finding one at their local dealer, all seems well. Yet outside our little ecosystem the world is on fire, GM is getting harped on for not only a lack of advertising but a high MSRP and a lack of MT.

I know these are all topics we've covered copiously, but there is an interesting article i read this morning with a couple quotes that I think highlights exactly why the SS is NOT like other vehicles...

s a former Pontiac G8 GT owner, I saw a few “OMG ITS HERE” SS showroom photos popping up on the G8 owners’ Facebook groups to which I still subscribe. The car looks no better in the showroom than it did in the original press photos, sadly. If anything, it looks worse. The SS is even less visually impressive when compared to its new stablemate, the 2014 Impala. One pities the poor Chevy salesman who has to try to explain the MSRP on the window to the customer his sales manager has insisted he try to upsell to the certain Showroom Poison known as the SS.

number one the SS isn't a car that is sold to you, SS is a car you go in to BUY. I think those of you with an SS will agree, from the threads I've been in most of you even led the sales process often educating your sales rep along the way

Unfortunately, GM appears to have learned absolutely, positively nothing since the launch of their last gussied-up Holden Commodore. The G8 GT had a cool, Spy Hunter-themed ad and a great tagline: the most powerful car under $30,000. The main thrust of the SS ad campaign appears to have been putting the incredibly un-memorable name of the car on the grille of Jimmie Johnson’s car — keeping in mind, of course, that according to NASCAR, only 15% of NASCAR fans earn more than $100,000 per year. Not exactly the best audience for a car that runs about half a hundo.

Well the G8 never exactly set the world on fire sales wise so maybe thats not the best comparison. NASCAR fans typically live in rural areas reducing their cost of living, In fact many NASCAR fans drive pickup trucks worth more than their houses so ruling them out is erroneous...

What does the future hold for the big GM Performance sedan? Take a quick look on third-party classified sites, where dealers are already advertising prices three to four thousand dollars beneath MSRP for a car that was just released last week. Compare that to another new for 2014 model, the Mercedes-Benz CLA, which dealers can’t keep on the lot at MSRP and above. Apples to oranges, yes, but just look at the difference in the advertising strategy. Super Bowl ads, Kate Upton, Willem Dafoe for the baby-baby Merc. For the Big Chevy? Nada.

And there we have it, the real issue. It seems that people are forgetting the SS is not expected, positioned or even desired to be a volume model. It is a limited production performance sedan for hardcore GM performance enthusiasts. Not a yuppie Benz with a loan friendly price tag

sorry y'all, just needed to get that off my chest :chair:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...-is-embarrassing-itself-at-a-dealer-near-you/

 

[brianch]

ehh everyone has their opinion.

All I did was scroll through the comments looking for anything resembling TTC6 or 1krider

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions. Just like a$$ holes.

 

[2074]

"What does the future hold for the big GM Performance sedan? Take a quick look on third-party classified sites, where dealers are already advertising prices three to four thousand dollars beneath MSRP for a car that was just released last week."

These uneducated 'journalistic' comments grate my cheese.

The dealer will loose money selling an SS at $4k off MSRP !!!

At $3k off MSRP it's a net no profit deal ... that's taking out the holdback, finance credit, EVERYTHING.

Some dealers just advertise unbelievably low 'sell' prices to drive traffic; but when you read the disclaimers or 'see dealer for details' the low price is unattainable.

There is one infamous dealer in my area that does this. The disclaimer includes: Includes all factory rebates and dealer cash; but some are mutually exclusive and cannot be stacked and how many people qualify for the farm rebate! Must trade in your vehicle; no explanation necessary. Must finance through dealers primary finance company; ie: the one that the dealer makes the most profit on selling the note to. $495 dealer protection package (door edge and wheel lip mouldings) and $495 dealer processing fee additional. When you get done your 'deal' is more costly than going to any of his 'honest advertising competitors! But he gets a lot of traffic and sells a lot of cars to people that don't do their homework or don't have stellar credit scores!

The lack of fact checking by todays 'journalists' and the speed of the internet let these wrong statements spread like wildfire ....... and hurt sales.

 

[willy92]

Well said...

I went over to that link, and those guys are idiots...If I wanted a Chrysler product I would have bought one. We have some Chrysler employees working here and according to them I would rather have GM product...

Bringing in stick shift V6's makes it so generic. Yes, the Impala looks more mainstream, because it is mainstream, and it is FWD and top engine is a V6... I don't do V6's!!!

I would guess the car is not advetised because they are not making that many of them??? And this is the last 2 years of this platform befor the car goes over to an American platform and perhaps taht is where the money is going??? Just a guess.

Anyway, my view is, if you don't like the car, then it ain't for you. Go buy something else and stop bellyaching! So what, the prices are dropping, that makes it better for us.

 

[Commodoreman2000]

I note the pen pusher stated as fact it was being sold below MSRP however didn't show actual proof to prove his claim

 

[ozstrat]

Many of the expectations for this car that I read on the general web show very little understanding of the car and its position in the market place.
Firstly, don't expect much advertising. Anticipated sales figures don't allow for it, unless you are prepared to pay an extra few grand per car to pay for it. Apart from a few magazine ads, Nascar is it.
I see many expectations based on the misconception that this is a mainstream car with option expectations that can only apply to locally mass produced cars.
Many don't seem to understand the main role for this car is a conservative family sedan that was never meant to look like the Batmobile. It is Australia's Impalla. If it was specifically designed to be an SS I have no doubt it would look more aggressive, but it wasn't. I doubt Dodge's Bumblebee Charger will lose sales to the SS. The SS is a more mature car targeted at more mature drivers and, like any car, cant be everything to everyone.
Lots of information out there on the web, nearly as much as the mountains of misinformation. Unfortunately I notice more & more people accepting absolute crap as the truth, the SS being a good example.

 

[G8 GT V8]

If I didn't have a kick-ass and nearly prestine G8 GT, I would seriously be looking at a new SS. In my opinion, it beats the pants off of anything else that's V8 and rear wheel drive.

 

[PMD SS]

My take from that:

It is a HORRIFIC blog post written by a former G8 owner who is bitter that he can't have one. Next.

 

[PMD SS]

I note the pen pusher stated as fact it was being sold below MSRP however didn't show actual proof to prove his claim

He also said that there we numerous tests showing that the 0-60 time wasn't breaking 5 seconds. I have yet to read 1 real driving review of the car with numbers to back it up.

 

[Ozark]

He also said that there we numerous tests showing that the 0-60 time wasn't breaking 5 seconds. I have yet to read 1 real driving review of the car with numbers to back it up.

Well, Road and Track got 4.5 seconds. Which is coincidentally what Motor Trend (I know, consider the source) predicted it to be despite GM's projected 5.0. They ran with an underrated projection, and are going to be proven wrong.

 

[Diehard]

Well, Road and Track got 4.5 seconds. Which is coincidentally what Motor Trend (I know, consider the source) predicted it to be despite GM's projected 5.0. They ran with an underrated projection, and are going to be proven wrong.

So has both "Road and Track" as well as "Car and Driver" tested the SS and both say 4.5 sec? Or do they sometimes use the others figures?? I guess I to have to buy the magazines.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

What kind of chowderheads on a car enthusiast website get upset when a manufacturer introduces a niche performance vehicle??? Glass half empty people if you ask me.

Anybody remember the 80's and 90's when the king of the hill was a 180HP Vette? Like the one guy said - rejoice! that there are so many options for fun and powerful cars. You like the Dodge?? fine - go get one...You guys really have this much spare time?

Jeez.

 

[jat63]

Looks like the banned one has his own site now

 

[Commodoreman2000]

If not, must be a close relation at the very least

 

[willy92]

What kind of chowderheads on a car enthusiast website get upset when a manufacturer introduces a niche performance vehicle??? Glass half empty people if you ask me.

Anybody remember the 80's and 90's when the king of the hill was a 180HP Vette? Like the one guy said - rejoice! that there are so many options for fun and powerful cars. You like the Dodge?? fine - go get one...You guys really have this much spare time?

Jeez.

I remember that, I was working for and racing Mazdas back then and was walking all over domestic V8's with my RX2, then my RX7's after that.

 

[z51vett]

If not, must be a close relation at the very least

Yeah kissing cousins
z51vett
Doug

 

[Diehard]

The 80's...? Is that back when they had to crank start the cars?:wink:

 

[z51vett]

I remember that, I was working for and racing Mazdas back then and was walking all over domestic V8's with my RX2, then my RX7's after that.

I remember going to an event put on by the sports car club. This was 1983 my bud and I had just got our z51 1984 corvettes can you say we beat everything out that day including one 944 p car with roll cage full race tires and so forth.
z51vett
Doug