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The 2019 season hasn't brought much to cheer about for Holden....the #17 Mustang has been dominant, with 17 wins in 24 races, so far, and McLaughlin has the car on pole by 0.4 sec over everyone, and a new record time of 2:03.3. This is his 15th or 16th pole position for the year....major dominance.

This race means enough to team owner - Roger Penske (with Dick Johnson) - that The Captain is there instead of at Talladega for NASCAR or at Road Atlanta for IMSA.

Huge attendance, even Holden fans cheering for the Mustang driver's pole run.

Whincup is fastest Holden, starting 4th, with Lowndes as his co-driver.

While McLaughlin could still lose the VASC championship (technically - by the numbers), the 500+ point lead he holds presently along with his performance through the season suggests it's only a formality to run the remaining races and claim the series trophy. Not a great year for Holden in VASC, no matter how it's presented, but SVG has given his fellow Kiwi the most pressure, when the cars are close.

The Bathurst 1000 could still be claimed by anyone, so we'll see how it turns out. If I can stay up, it goes off at 8:30 PM EST and broadcast ends at 3:30 AM. Watching on supercars.com/superviews (pay site)
 

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Finally made it home to watch, lap 109/161 currently Ford Holden Ford Ford Nissan
Lots of holdens in the top 25 but only one in the top 5

Where is the new camaro guys.
 

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Finally made it home to watch, lap 109/161 currently Ford Holden Ford Ford Nissan
Lots of holdens in the top 25 but only one in the top 5

Where is the new camaro guys.
Lap 142, 888 (WHI) leads 17 by .5, 97 (SVG) is 3rd, none can make it to end without fuel.

At least 10 cars are all on lead lap and depending on circumstances could win.
 

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17 has backed off to save fuel, hoping 888 chokes - Whincup leads by nearly 10 seconds now, but crash & safety car just happened. 888 pitted for fuel, 17 to lead, 888 will be 4th and can race. We'll see how it turns out....17 thinks they've now saved enough fuel to make it.
 

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One final lap of green, 17, 97, 22 on podium - 25 years since DJR won at Bathurst. 888 finishes 4th. 2 Kiwis that lead series points at the end. Pretty amazing what the Penske method does for a racing organization! Only took 3 years...
 

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Not sure of Dick Johnson's age, but Penske is now 82 or 83....maintains a pretty busy schedule still. True, he headed for the door quickly and Johnson had to scoot from the opposite side of the podium. Penske's Acura team ran 3/4 in the 10 hour Petit LeMans at Road Atlanta & won the IMSA Prototype Championship earlier in the day (Saturday) - Bathurst was Sunday.
 

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Used to be a huge fan but it's not the same for me anymore. The Holden isn't really a Holden, and the Ford looks like a cartoon version of what we know as a Mustang. The racing is still good but it doesn't grab my attention like when the VEs and VFs were out there kicking ass.
 

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Used to be a huge fan but it's not the same for me anymore. The Holden isn't really a Holden, and the Ford looks like a cartoon version of what we know as a Mustang. The racing is still good but it doesn't grab my attention like when the VEs and VFs were out there kicking ass.
Mike, the same is true for most "production-based" racing series. The need to keep OEM support for racing from more than one manufacturer dictates that some means is available to provide rough equality (in some series called "balance of performance").

As a GM-Holden fan, ask yourself, how much would your professed dis-interest be if Holden was winning at the rate the Mustang (and just one, at that) has been winning in VASC this year?

#17 Ford - 18 races

#97 Holden ZB - 3 races

#12 Ford - 2 races

#888 Holden ZB - 1 race

#55 Ford - 1 race

The 2 DJR/Penske cars have combined to win 80% of the races so far in 2019 (20 of 25)....it's clear that they've got an advantage, but is it the car or the driver(s)? In the world of Australian "touring car" series and it's current evolved state, the platforms that the manufacturers produce that will "fit" in the current VASC program are different today. By any definition, I cannot argue that a Holden ZB Commodore does not "fit" the definition, but Holden has nothing else--the Camaro is a red-headed step-child in it's current state as a low-volume "tuner" (HSV) RHD conversion vehicle, and not part of the Holden product line.

So, the question is whether the sanctioning body will re-visit the regulations to see whether any adjustments are needed to produce results that reduce the dominance of one marque - Nissan has been there now (with the FWD Altima), for about 5 years, and I'm not sure whether they've managed a single win, and very few podium finishes. Yet they're still showing up, ready to try again at every event. The Altima probably sells better in AU than the current Holden ZB, in reality, even though 4-door sedans have a smaller and smaller share of the market, world-wide, today. People are so upset with Holden that the Colorado mid-size truck doesn't even make the top-10 in monthly numbers.

By the sales reports, racing trucks or SUV/CUV's would make more sense.

(from earlier thread/post)

Top selling cars (AU) in September 2019

Toyota HiLux - 3364
Ford Ranger - 3116
Mitsubishi Triton - 3000
Hyundai i30 - 2447
Mitsubishi ASX - 2420
Mazda CX-5 - 2355
Toyota Corolla - 2219
Kia Cerato - 2022
Nissan X-Trail - 1770
Mitsubishi Outlander - 1731
Toyota RAV4 - 1716
Mazda3 - 1693

Top selling brands in September 2019

Toyota - 15,166 (down 12.8 per cent)
Mitsubishi - 8990 (up 17.9 per cent)
Mazda - 8168 (up 15.5 per cent)
Hyundai - 7245 (down 10.7 per cent)
Kia - 5128 (up 2.5 per cent)
Nissan - 4651 (down 10.0 per cent)
Ford - 4783 (down 5.9 per cent)
Volkswagen - 3816 (down 18.7 per cent)
Subaru - 3502 (down 26.4 per cent)
Honda - 3404 (down 24.8 per cent)
Holden - 2863 (down 38.4 per cent)

The dominant driver's name in VASC isn't Brock, and no matter how good he is, there will never be a statisitcal comparison that will overcome the bond that existed between a driver and his fans that was the way of Peter Brock, just as was the case with Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt in NASCAR - Jimmie Johnson just doesn't measure up in the eyes of followers of motorsport, even though his results are at least as good.

The most successful Holden team/driver combination that currently competes - 888 Engineering, with Whincup (#888) & Van Gisbergen (#97) - is reviled due to it's overall dominance AND the fact that a number of years ago the move was made from Ford to Holden....no greater sin can be committed in Australian motorsports, as brand loyalty is like the Holy Grail, especially for AU Ford fans, it seems. Both drivers also drove Fords successfully before moving to Holden. The Ford AU fans could care less that the Mustang may be outside the bounds of what defined the sport over it's history....winning has a way of softening the opposition to such a "clown car", and loyalty, whether team or driver, is held as a highly significant attribute by fans in VASC.

VASC could easily become a "vintage" series unless there is an evolution that parallels what is happening in the OEM world (fewer V8's and hybridization/electrification). I was so hoping the Holden TTV6 development effort would have led to at least one entry with that power source, as a matter of trying to be a more relevant package than the V8's that continue to rule the roost.
 

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Camaro? That's a question for GM & CAMS.....not sold by Holden, so not supported by a dealer network.

It might be different if GM actually built a RHD Camaro for AU.
I was there again this year staying at 505 Conrod Straight and watching from literally 20 feet from the the road. We also get to do laps between races, albeit at snail pace. Anyway apparently the Camaro that's sold here (OZ) by HSV won't fit on the current chassis without bastardising it and making it look cartoonish. The Mustang has barely got away with it. Bad foresight by Supercars.....?
 
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