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My only concern with doing front springs only is that now the spring rates are mismatched.. if you did something like stock height Kings in the rear and lowered king fronts I’d be less worried about it. That’s part of why I like and went with king springs. The ability to chose ride height front and rear, not just get stuck with whatever.

All lowering springs seem to make the rear fender lip of the car closer to the ground and to the tire. Part of this is how the cars are made, with the fender lip higher in the front on the body, but also my finding is that rear springs are always way too soft.

Doing king sssl fronts and sslhd rears would give the perfect ride/height/performance and look imo.

 

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fender to the ground is the worst way to measure , best is from the fender lip to a lip on the wheel , either the lower lip or upper lip

going to the ground can be changed by the tire , being different sizes , air pressure , all effect a measurement done that way , the lips of the wheel do not change , unless the diameter does , in which case its either 1/2" up or down depending on the diameter

Only consistent way to measure is the fender lip to the center of the wheel. If you have 13s or if you have 22s it would always be the same.

 

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I tried to find where you had posted a pic, but for the life of me I couldn't find it. Thanks for the feedback, I'll see about updating my order.

Go to threads started by users or something like that . I’m on the mobile site otherwise I’d link. Sorry.

 

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What’s a fact is that if the car has more fender gap in the front than the rear, even a 2 year old could tell you that it’s higher in the front than in the rear.

 

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Look at the post of my car. I have ssl front and the mag rear. front is still higher.. you are going to be very noticeably lower in the rear. Just FYI. I’m most likely going to do sssl front springs in mine to try to get front the same level as the rear.

Posted here too:http://www.ssforums.com/forum/wheels-tires-suspension/127922-kings-springs-height-feedback-thread-pics-5.html

OK, so I just ordered from Sparesbox and wanted to see if anyone actually had a picture they could share, provide measurements and wheel/tire detail?

KHFL-151SL
KHRL-152SLMAG

I'm also in the process of picking up new tires and debating whether to get a taller sidewall to protect from the shite roads here in PA, WV, & OH... but need to make sure I have enough clearance with these springs. Up one sidewall size adds 12mm or 1/2" gap closure


Thanks in advance!

 

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That's what I figured. The fenders are a different shape and the tops don't sit on the same plane, even on a stock SS. So you can't use them as a gauge. If you look at the bottom of the car from a distance it will have a front rake like you want.

I thought I had the same problem when I installed a set of Granatellis (rebranded King springs), until I looked closer.

I am well aware that cars are wedge shaped and front wheel well openings are higher in the body than the rear ones.

If there is less fender gap in the rear than in the front, the rear is lower than the front. Period. End of story for me.

I don’t care if the rocker is lower to the ground in the front, I don’t care about anything else, you name it, other than the fender gap. That’s why I went one spring lower in the front. But I’m going to either have to go up in the rear or down in the front. Haven’t decided yet.

 

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What do you mean by this? There isn't a set of springs on the market that cause the rear to sit lower than the front. Even though you mixed and matched ssl and sl springs there shouldn't have been an issue.

Are you trying to compare the tire to fender gap front to rear?

Every single set of Aussie springs makes the rear sit slightly lower. That’s how they like to do it down there. I put ssl springs on the front and sl on the rear. My rear still managed to have less fender gap and be lower. In theory my front should have been significantly lower. It’s not. Look at my post for pics.

 

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Man that front gap still looks big... back looks much better
Details on the wheels and tires?

I am not him, but they are 19s. 305s. Smaller diameter than stock in the rear. Smaller than the front tires also if I remember correctly also. Front tires were just a tad smaller than stock.

If you look through my post history mine is on the ssl fronts and slmag rear springs. Trying to get the front lower than the rear. Still didn’t manage to do it.

 

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Rico.. how did you go through a set of tires already?

Also what springs are those. I know you said king, but which ones?

 

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is there a dot in the center you can find ? using the calculated eyeball method doesnt get exact center either :nerd

also you cant use the outter diameter of the center cap , as not all are the same diameter

If you are having that much trouble finding the center, measure to the bottom edge of the center cap, measure the center cap, divide center cap measurement in half and then subtract it from your measurement. If you have to be that exact.


Different size tires, different size wheels, as well as a bunch of different other factors can make it so measuring anything other than fender lip to center cap is a completely irrelevant waste of time.

 

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What springs are you planning to get? I feel like I'm still confused with all the naming especially since Kings shows mixing of the SL and SSL variants in their "low" vs "super low." I'll modify this post as a reference.

According to Kings Cataloguae the standard low is 30mm (~1.1") lower than stock ride height. Super low (SL) lowers 40mm (~1.5") from the stock ride height, and the ultra low (SSL) lowers 50mm (2"+) from stock ride height.

As noted by other members these springs are not specific to the SS and according to Kings don't "fit." However, some brave souls have tried them and they do indeed fit fine. Kings has clarified that they are unsure how the springs work with the US spec SS and MRC.

Standard Stock Height - Spring Rate
KHFS-151 stock height - 190lbs
KHFS-152 stock height - 460lbs

Lowered (Lowered) per Kings
KHFL-151 - 120-220lb
KHRL-152SL (MAG OR no MAG???) 300-500lb
Consensus from those who installed is to use matching SL front and rear on MRC for even ride height instead of staggering. Reports from 91RS and s2kager state that staggering results in rear sitting approximately 0.5" lower.

Lowered More (Super Low) per Kings
KHFL-151SL - 120-220lb
KHRL-152SSL
Consensus from those who installed is to use matching SSL front and rear on MRC for even ride height instead of staggering. Reports from 91RS and s2kager state that staggering results in rear sitting approximately 0.5" lower.

Lowered More than That (Ultra Low) per Kings
KHFL -151SSL - 120-220lb
KHRL-152SSSL - 300-500lb
Potentially use: KHFL-SSSL and KHRL-SSSL for MRC. Consensus from those who installed the other types is to use SSSL front and rear on MRC for even ride height instead of staggering. Reports from 91RS and s2kager state that staggering results in rear sitting approximately 0.5" lower.

I agree that 91RS' wheel gap looks great in the pics on the SL front and SL rear but I think that might somewhat be attributed to the wider aftermarket wheels and larger tires (275/305 vs. 245/275 stock) filling out the wheel gap.

To get similar wheel gap on stock wheels might take the SSLs or SLs with spacers.

Also, WTH does the MAG vs. Non-MAG variant of spring mean? Why doesn't the SSL have a MAG version? Does it even matter? I have an email out to Kings to ask what the difference is. Spring rate, drop, etc.

Let me know if any of this information is not correct. There needs to be one central reference instead of the back and forth throughout this thread.

EDIT: fixed some things. Also removed the lowering measurement amounts because its really not that certain on MRC equipped cars.

They say their springs won't work with the SS because almost all the Aussie cars don't come with magride. The HSV cars, however do come with it. I managed to get an email response from Kings (when they found out I wasn't in OZ they pretty much just stopped responding), and they had an HSV with magride and gave me the measurements of drop. I forget what they were. But they suggested the specific magride shock: KHRL-152SLMAGVF. Which is what I will be doing in my rear as I said earlier.

 

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I plan on using the KHFL-151SSL and the KHRL-152SLMAGVF, keep the front about 1/2 inch lower than the front.

 

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yes, rears have the same number.. and fronts have a completely different number. your lowering springs will not work on a VF. unless you want to only lower your rear and throw away the fronts.

 

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Your car has SL on all 4 corners now. Correct?

 

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I am debating getting some of these springs. KHRL-151SSLfront and KHRL-152SLMAGVF rear (I talked to King springs and they have specific rear mag ride springs). The cars that I have seen that have done the KHRL-151SSL fronts and KHRL-152SSL rears, seem to be lower, or the same in the rear. I want the rear to be higher than the front. Does anyone have wheel center to fender lip measurement of SSL vs SL springs? my estimate is that it is under .5 inch difference between the two.