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V8 Supercar Driver Cam McConville demonstrates our Torque Vectoring performance technology, included in our GEN-F GTS.

 

[SuperSnake]

i believe porsche has this, at least something related to a Chevy has it as well. Would love to take this beast around a track.

 

[Wolf68]

So I'll resurrect an old thread. Has anyone done any serious autocrossing or tracking of the car and felt the torque vectoring in work? I've watched the video a few times and it is interesting to me that the torque vectoring is only operational while on the throttle. My butt dyno either isn't that sensitive or I just haven't pushed the car hard.

 

[Slizzo]

So I'll resurrect an old thread. Has anyone done any serious autocrossing or tracking of the car and felt the torque vectoring in work? I've watched the video a few times and it is interesting to me that the torque vectoring is only operational while on the throttle. My butt dyno either isn't that sensitive or I just haven't pushed the car hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the SS has a mechanical LSD, and not a trick Electronic LSD that cars like the Corvette have..

 

[Wolf68]

I'm not going to say I know everything, but the SS does have the LSD but also has rear brake based torque vectoring. I forget what page of the user manual it is on, but it is in there. I was just hoping someone could say "Oh yeah, it works great when you push the car" or something like that.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

This is the 3rd or 4th time this video has been posted.

 

[ozstrat]

I was surprised to learn recently that torque vectoring is included with the Mag Ride. Only works in track mode though.

More surprising is no-one has mentioned using it?

 

[nothingtoseehere]

I was surprised to learn recently that torque vectoring is included with the Mag Ride. Only works in track mode though.

More surprising is no-one has mentioned using it?

This has been covered many times and there is a simple table in the owners manual. Torque vectoring is automatically active in performance mode and track mode. There is no using it or not using it. Enter those modes and torque vectoring is on.

 

[Bmr4life]

But has anyone felt it doing anything while racing around a track?

 

[XcluSSV]

I'm not going to say I know everything, but the SS does have the LSD but also has rear brake based torque vectoring. I forget what page of the user manual it is on, but it is in there. I was just hoping someone could say "Oh yeah, it works great when you push the car" or something like that.

Does this apply for the manual transmission as well?

 

[KenzSS]

Welcome to the forum XcluSSV!

 

[Drew888]

Now to go out and test it!

 

[Wolf68]

But has anyone felt it doing anything while racing around a track?

This is what I was asking. I couldn't find where anyone had mentioned how affective it was. Like "I was autocrossing and I ran the course in Sport mode and my time was xx.xxx. Then I ran it in Track mode and my time was xx.xxx. I could really really feel the difference, turn in was better, power out of the corners was better." That is what I'm looking for.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

This is what I was asking. I couldn't find where anyone had mentioned how affective it was. Like "I was autocrossing and I ran the course in Sport mode and my time was xx.xxx. Then I ran it in Track mode and my time was xx.xxx. I could really really feel the difference, turn in was better, power out of the corners was better." That is what I'm looking for.

I think this is a case of few SS owners using the car as a track car on the big tracks where power on torque vectoring could be helpful. It's too heavy to be good road racer and the consumable for it are expensive. Autox is too low speed, the car is always in transition for any of the intervention levels to be of much use. i.e. sport mode would be terrible on autox. Of that tiny fraction of SS owner who road race the car, I expect most will not have near the experience level in the SS to achieve consistent repeatable lap times. Also, anyone with enough racetrack experience in this car to do that would not likely use sport mode at all as it is far too intrusive for a race track. All you are likely to get are subjective comments, which really aren't very valuable.

 

[$$mooth]

This has been covered many times and there is a simple table in the owners manual. Torque vectoring is automatically active in performance mode and track mode. There is no using it or not using it. Enter those modes and torque vectoring is on.

Has it been verified in Performance Mode? My calibrated behind can't tell.
The manual also says that Launch Control is on in Performance Mode, but mine only engages in Track Mode.

 

[nothingtoseehere]

Has it been verified in Performance Mode? My calibrated behind can't tell.
The manual also says that Launch Control is on in Performance Mode, but mine only engages in Track Mode.

Hate to answer a question with a question, but here goes. How would you verify that torque vectoring is active? There is no indicator to the driver that torque vectoring is ON except for driver mode being performance or track. The ECU knows and could potentially be interrogated to divulge this information, but I don't know the tools or process to do so.

 

[wvg8gt]

I was surprised to learn recently that torque vectoring is included with the Mag Ride. Only works in track mode though.

More surprising is no-one has mentioned using it?

I was shocked as well, It's the main reason I chose a 2015 along with 4 brembo's & Mag ride.

What strange is the 2015 & 2016 SSV Redline Commy's don't have it. They have the regular FE3.

It's almost as if the SS is a LSA, rubber, & some structure boosts from being a HSV.

 

[holler]

I feel it on every on and off ramp. its wonderful, can really feel it working to keep you in line and minimize understeer.

I would say it kicks in though at around 6 to 7 10ths hustle mode, so you need to be fairly aggressive to get it going... it definitely activates in performance mode

 

[CKEDIN]

I noticed the vectoring early on (mashing throttle onto an on-ramp back in early 17') and at first it was pretty unsettling as the car noticeably was all of the sudden more tail happy under acceleration in performance mode. Of course I put 2+2 together when the owners manual mentioned the torque vectoring as it made sense but the manual didn't explain what was "actually" happening. At this point I just expect the car to be more "vectored?" in perf mode but wouldn't say I am totally comfortable and used to it by any means.

Now a bit of a story that led to this post..
About a week ago i was getting on an on ramp in perf mode with light constant throttle and steady turn in and the whole car completely began to sort of gently rotate and the rear slid sideways at about 60 mph until the TC / SC came on. I counter-steered and recovered it fine but the stability control definitely assisted. I am not Randy Pobst (i know.. shocker) but honestly if the stability control didn't eventually kick in it felt like the car would have continued to rotate until it hit 180 degrees. Again it was a little unsettling and to be honest it surprised me as the vectoring didn't seem anywhere near necessary for the speed I was going (felt like I could have easily been going 20 mph faster).

Since that happened I've searched around and was glad to see the video above that basically explains that it's using the rear brakes.
As usual it's pretty impossible to get a ton of info on the SS and I assume most on the forum have probably read just about every article from C&D or Motor Trend etc. (like all 10 articles). I have never seen in any 0 to 60 or quarter mile anyone mention using launch control. Matter of fact in motor trend's testing of the 2016 manual ss the video doesn't even mention which mode they're in (just shows them drifting the car and doing burnouts for 10 minutes). In my opinion the chassis seems to have pretty good balance without the vectoring and I would like to be able to turn it off (btw yes i am aware I can put it in sport mode and it will turn off but of course won't get the tighter suspension etc..).
I would be very interesting driving the car in performance mode without the vectoring or better yet in track mode without the vectoring and wacky throttle remapping. Of course that leads to I'm not sure how anyone would ever get used to the throttle in track mode unless they drove it every day with vectoring and with track mode stability and traction control... which really sounds fun.. and I've thought about it.. and if you are out there tell us stories..

Anyways, I will be the first to admit I haven't fully tested the car on a track but I'm almost positive the rear-end came out waaay before I felt like I was close to under-steering and would certainly have been much faster and more stable through the corner without the "vector" (again that's just my opinion for that particular situation). as always love any input or comments thanks

btw - I'll update my build info with a post soon as the car is done but currently running Eibach springs and phase 4 package by Redline Performance in Pompano Beach 490 rwhp

 

[iratollah]

... I'm almost positive the rear-end came out waaay before I felt like I was close to under-steering and would certainly have been much faster and more stable through the corner without the "vector" ...

Dashcam videos show that what feels like waaay out simply doesn't look nearly as extreme as it feels behind the wheel on a public road.