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How hard is GM trying to sell the SS?
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and it's too bad that the car (as a Zeta) will likely never see a GenV V8, which could have made a real difference in the MPG ratings, with at least equal - or better - performance.
Since the Holden VF range does include 3.6 V6, makes you wonder if a TT version (as in 2014 CTS V-Sport) with 420 HP & TQ could make a nice substitute for the thirsty LS3. There will be some wrecked V-Sports out there eventually....!
Since the Holden VF range does include 3.6 V6, makes you wonder if a TT version (as in 2014 CTS V-Sport) with 420 HP & TQ could make a nice substitute for the thirsty LS3. There will be some wrecked V-Sports out there eventually....!
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That car is jacked up like it's still got shipping blocks in it....almost makes me crazy that GM won't make their production cars look as good as the concept and show cars--or like the typical project car looks at SEMA.
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The ride height is a product of its place of origin. The practical reason why it is at that height and with good wheel clearance, is because it should drive comfortably over dirt and gravel roads, often corrugated at highway speeds and not rip the front of the car off when there is a dip, or repeatedly bottom out the suspension or cause undue stress on the suspension. It should also manage things like cattle crossings, mild washouts and be able to go through a shallow water crossing when required. Yes the SS is tested for that stuff and has to do it routinely, every day for the life of the car, if required by the owner. Thats why Ford, Chrysler and GM built Australian specific cars in the sixties and seventies when Australian roads were often pretty rough outside the cities. The US sourced models of the time literally fell to bits, when driven on the same roads and with the same expectations.
Even though times have changed, the benchmarks set back then are still applied to Australian engineered cars. No model in the range is exempt and thats part of the conditions the car is engineered for. Sure a base model Commodore will do the country stuff better then a Redline SS, but you can bet that both were tested to exactly the same level. When you consider how well the car handles on normal roads, its even more a credit to the engineers involved with its development. When the SS is gone, that will probably be the last time GM will ever engineer a sedan for that type of severity of testing and endurance anywhere in the world. Most people outside of Australia think you need a SUV to go many places a Commodore ute or sedan goes.
Since many Australians are city bound these days and don't know what a dirt road looks like, much less how to drive on one, they often do lower the car for the looks side of things. Often to the point where a speed hump, becomes a major challenge. Basically undoing all the work Holden put into the car. Holden of course, mindful of warranty isn't going to however, incase someone calls them on what an Australian built car should do and there are still rural and commercial customers who do work these cars hard. Of course Australia like the rest of the world is loosing people who have driving skills and an automatic SUV monster is now increasingly been seen as essential to do the kind of thing, several generations of rear wheel drive Holden's happily did without fuss.
One bonus of all this is the stability control and ABS are very, very good on the Commodore when it comes to loose and dirt surfaces. Can't comment on snow as I've never driven in that.
As someone who used to live in rural NSW and had an Aussie engineered Falcon, let me tell you that despite the forums being full of city bound Australians complaining their cars ride height wasn't cool, I was grateful for how the car was setup. My XR8 would comfortably do over the speed limits on dirt and I remember well having to drive it in conditions, that even I would normally say should be the place of proper off roaders. I had to stop a few times to scoop the mud out of the wheel arches and she slid all over the place in the wet and mud, also scratched the bumper on some ruts i had no choice but to drive over, but it got there and in one piece. Not much else outside a Commodore would have done it as easily or in one piece when it comes to a normal family sedan. Its times like that, no matter how rare, when you appreciate what the engineers did for you with these cars.
The end of the SS is also the end of an era of engineering for GM too I suspect.
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I have been saying this since last years Daytona 500. Not only are they not trying to sell it, they pretty much kept it a secret from even the GM employees. When we saw it in Daytona it was blus like Jimmy Johnsons car and then they didn't even offer a blue!
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And therein is a problem that the marketing folks at GMNA don't seem to recognize--to compete (oh, I forgot, they don't care) with SRT vehicles, there should be a different spring package to give this car a better stance for the most common use it will see here--at least it would be a good thing if GM Performance Parts (now Chevrolet Performance Parts) would do a little work on this car to give it some help in this area, and put a spring kit in the catalog, rather than having to go to the aftermarket--but they seem to want to focus on truck, Camaro & Corvette bling, engines, and they can't be bothered, or most everything else is basically an afterthought, when they feel like getting around to it.
The further point is that, as it is (not) being marketed now, and with Corvette as NA "Car of the Year", the customer looking for a "family-friendly" car is not, in great numbers, being stimulated by anything that has more than 2 doors--just the opposite of what Chevy marketing SHOULD be doing. The Corvette always sells, with or without any help. Any advertising that focuses on Chevrolet & any perceived "performance halo", to attract potential buyers for their products to dealerships, should include all 3 models--Corvette, Camaro, and SS Sedan.
I do realize, with all product decisions being based on "business-case justification", it's easier to let the aftermarket handle low-profit components like springs.
I feel like they brought this car over to just tend to the enthusiasts who have been wanting an updated G8.
They do not plan to put any marketing dollars into it because they do not want this to be a very well selling model for them. They want to concentrate on models that will make them more money and also sell in greater volumes.
The mention above of CAFE ratings is true as well.
They do not plan to put any marketing dollars into it because they do not want this to be a very well selling model for them. They want to concentrate on models that will make them more money and also sell in greater volumes.
The mention above of CAFE ratings is true as well.
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I don't know, it seems that, I'd rather the car only go to people who would appreciate it, like the people on this board, for instance. How could you buy an SS and not want to talk about it...to get the most out of it...to share your enthusiasm with others of similar like??? I've seen too many times people complaining about things like..."its too loud inside", or "it burns too much gas", or " it rides too rough", "when do you use those shift paddles?"...on similar type cars. These are clear examples of people who should have bought an Impala,... a 4 cylinder one at that.
And they(Impalas) are flying out of the dealerships, rightly so. As it's a great car for the masses, while the SS is made just for us.
And they(Impalas) are flying out of the dealerships, rightly so. As it's a great car for the masses, while the SS is made just for us.
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Theres a reason GM has not advertised this car. GM has been undermining Holden/HSV for a very long time. They are only shipping this thing because of a contractual obligation, that Bob Lutz first started (he was a huge fan of the Australian arm).
They dont want this car to sell period and dont want Holden to manufacturing to survive. This is why promo pictures were second rate/grey car, why the limited transmission, why they limited colours, why they limited body styles etc.
GM has stated before that a ute and a wagon makes no business sense. Howver importing a current car would be far cheaper than making a whole new wagon/ute type car from scratch.
The amount of promo is basically why Holden's 30,000 export to the Middle East (when Holden advertised the car) dried up to 0 (when Chevrolet was handed the advertising reigns) in a space of 1 year.
Vauxhall on the other hand has used their version with amazing result. Vauxhall sell even less cars than Chevrolet but their XVR8 has been the media superstar. The character of the car has meant that a brand for the masses (Vauxhall) has its performance VXR arm being talked about in the same sentence as M's and AMG (even by the Germans).
They dont want this car to sell period and dont want Holden to manufacturing to survive. This is why promo pictures were second rate/grey car, why the limited transmission, why they limited colours, why they limited body styles etc.
GM has stated before that a ute and a wagon makes no business sense. Howver importing a current car would be far cheaper than making a whole new wagon/ute type car from scratch.
The amount of promo is basically why Holden's 30,000 export to the Middle East (when Holden advertised the car) dried up to 0 (when Chevrolet was handed the advertising reigns) in a space of 1 year.
Vauxhall on the other hand has used their version with amazing result. Vauxhall sell even less cars than Chevrolet but their XVR8 has been the media superstar. The character of the car has meant that a brand for the masses (Vauxhall) has its performance VXR arm being talked about in the same sentence as M's and AMG (even by the Germans).
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Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but THIS! THIS is why I just bought an SS, trading my 04 GTO. I want a car that I appreciate, along with a group of folks like on this forum. You understand when our spouses complain about our driving, how the right car makes us feel. The people who own an SS are unique, and that's just fine. This car excites me, subtle on the outside, beautiful on the inside, but a monster under the hood.
When I traded my GTO (bad back/leg, no more stick for me), EVERY person at the dealer came out to look at it. Even the owner. It actually made more sad, but oh well, the SS put a smile back on my face.
These are my people
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Trading in the goat made me sad too. The SS makes it easy to forget though.Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but THIS! THIS is why I just bought an SS, trading my 04 GTO. I want a car that I appreciate, along with a group of folks like on this forum. You understand when our spouses complain about our driving, how the right car makes us feel. The people who own an SS are unique, and that's just fine. This car excites me, subtle on the outside, beautiful on the inside, but a monster under the hood.
When I traded my GTO (bad back/leg, no more stick for me), EVERY person at the dealer came out to look at it. Even the owner. It actually made more sad, but oh well, the SS put a smile back on my face.
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Crazy - I just read your sig, bought mine new, 04, 6MT, red, with 108K miles.
Small world... small world.
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It killed me to trade in my GTO and I got the Camaro thinking it would be more of the same. It wasn't! So, now I am in the SS and couldn't be happier!!
When I traded my GTO (bad back/leg, no more stick for me), EVERY person at the dealer came out to look at it. Even the owner. It actually made more sad, but oh well, the SS put a smile back on my face.
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Can you compare the Camaro to the SS. Curious why you like the SS more. Thanks!... I got the Camaro thinking it would be more of the same. It wasn't! So, now I am in the SS and couldn't be happier!!
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SS on the newer Zeta platform would be a plus, it also has a whole range of changes over the Camaro including a whole new electrical system and components.
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