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Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
one of the HSV engineers was a little loose lipped with car advice regarding the new development process rules that were handed down to both holden & HSV by GMNA

HSV forced to conform to Holden demands for VF Commodore program |*CarAdvice

end result was a better product but with more hoops to jump through

a comment from the artical

“I think General Motors in North America said ‘you blokes aren’t gonna make a shitty car’. They said you have to do things differently [and] stick to these processes.”
 

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I think this might have also been HSVs fault, as they'd want to release their new car just as quickly as Holden did. I'm guessing they'd normally wait till later in the development process to begin their project, but it would restrict how much input and integration they would be able to get in.

By getting in at the beginning, they'd have to be ready for each stage of development at the same time, but it would allow their upgrades to be less "tacked on" than previous models.
 

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Checked out the Clubsport R8 and sat in a few at Metro Holden ( Asylum will know of the place )
I have never been hugely into HSV's but it was like someone managed to take pure awesomeness and package it in a car.
I will still likely go the Redline in about 12 months time but man I would prefer the HSV seats over the Redlines as the bolsters are too narrow IMO the Clubbies are just right.
 

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Speaking of GMNA, I just saw this video yesterday of Ed Welburn driving the Commodores and a still camouflaged SS.

 

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I think this might have also been HSVs fault, as they'd want to release their new car just as quickly as Holden did. I'm guessing they'd normally wait till later in the development process to begin their project, but it would restrict how much input and integration they would be able to get in.

By getting in at the beginning, they'd have to be ready for each stage of development at the same time, but it would allow their upgrades to be less "tacked on" than previous models.
less tacked on is the way it should be, a performance model that's more along the lines of a BMW M vehicle is where the aim should be at, which as we all know M cars don't have tacked on upgrades.
 

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is BMW's M division an inhouse operation run by BMW or a seperate company.

HSV is only factory backed, they buy cars from holden and sell them under their own name with performance and visual upgrades.

if they were factory owned they would be on the development team from the start.
 
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