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So I'm in need of a clutch. I'm getting an engine with 495 horsepower put in and, and replacing the clutch while the engine is out. I was going to do a stock clutch kit, but the GM flywheel for our cars is on national backorder. I want something that has a stock feel to it because I don't want the chatter that seems to come from a lot of aftermarket clutches. I read in a couple threads that the C7 clutch and flywheel fits our cars, but didn't see it confirmed by too may others. What have you guys used that feels stock? Do Carmaro or Corvette clutches work? Or maybe I could get a stock pressure plate, slave cylinder and pilot bearing use a different flywheel?
 

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Unfortunately, our TR6060 transmission is the MER version that uses a different input shaft than other models, so you'll be very limited. Search under the MER tag and you'll probably find more threads on clutches.
 

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Nothing else will work but a clutch specifically made for the SS sedan, unfortunately. Monster seems to be the best option and what I plan on going with when the time comes.
 

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Nothing else will work but a clutch specifically made for the SS sedan, unfortunately. Monster seems to be the best option and what I plan on going with when the time comes.
How is the monster with feel and performance? Is there a chatter or different feel than stock?
 

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No idea. Never driven one. Being a triple disc it shouldn’t have any chatter because it wouldn’t need super aggressive friction material.
 

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This manufacturer in Australia ( Australian Clutch Services - Clutch & Flywheel Specialists ) makes a stock replacement clutch for VF commodore with the LS3 engine. They also make solid flywheel conversion and single/multi-plate performance upgrade clutch kits for the same application. And it's cool because they have a US distributor ( XClutch USA ). I looked at their online catalog and they do carry clutch kits for the SS Sedan, however they only list the multi-plate versions. I sent them an email to see if they would be willing to obtain and sell the stock replacement or single disc upgrade kits. If I receive an answer I'll post it up.

It's interesting that in the Australian catalog our stock clutch is listed as being used on a few other models. The earliest use was in 2008 on some HSV models with the LS3. Then it was used starting in 2010 on VE Commodore models with the L77. The 2009 and earlier VE Commodores with the L98 used a different clutch. I wonder if the clutch change corresponds to when they started using the MER TR6060.

I'm still fascinated by what the differences are between the MER TR6060 and the other variants. The 26 spline, 1.125" diameter shaft is common among General Motors transmissions. And the pilot bearing listed in our clutch kit is the same as used in many other GM models so the pilot diameter is standard. The variance has to be in the length of the shaft, where the splines are located along that length, and where the pilot surface is located. Also the depth of the slave cylinder mounting pad is probably different. I imagine those dimensions could be found pretty easily online for a Camaro or CTSV. The next time a forum member has their TR6060 out they should take some measurements so we could compare the differences.

I have also seen through the years people claiming to have used either the LS7 or other application kits in these cars. The comments for the LUK LS7 clutch kit on Amazon even has a guy claiming he put it in an SS ( Amazon.com: LuK 04-216 Clutch Kit: Automotive). But there is never any real followup, explanation of challenges, or feedback for these claims. It's not something I would attempt unless there was no other option.
 

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If I remember correctly the manual transmission used in the Australian cars is not the same as the US cars. Anyone who has said they’ve used a Z06 clutch has never provided any proof but I have seen people say they tried it and the transmission wouldn’t go in.
 

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If I remember correctly the manual transmission used in the Australian cars is not the same as the US cars. Anyone who has said they’ve used a Z06 clutch has never provided any proof but I have seen people say they tried it and the transmission wouldn’t go in.
Do you have something that indicates the transmission is not the same? I'm truly curious. It doesn't make sense that GM would have specified a different transmission to be used in a vehicle that was only built to make up export numbers.

Perhaps a forum member from OZ could take a look at their build tag to see what code it shows for the manual transmission so that we can know for sure.
 

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How is the monster with feel and performance? Is there a chatter or different feel than stock?
My buddy has a monster triple in his 16, drives way different than the dual mass flywheel in my 17. He has no complaints and it holds a ton of power. When I’ve driven it, Im not used to having to give it a little more throttle, but the pedal feels lighter and linear. The grabbing point is a little higher than my stock clutch.

Edit: no chatter on his clutch.


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Interesting. I’d love to drive a car with the Monster but I don’t know anyone around me that has one. My plan is just to keep going on the stocker for now. I keep finding other stuff to spend money on anyway on the other vehicles.
 

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I have yet to perform an in-depth search for it, but what are the hp/tq numbers on what the stock clutch can hold up to?

I would imagine with 415/415 at the crank, they (GM/Holden engineers) would design/engineer/spec the clutch to hold at the least 498/498 for 1,000,000,000 rotations (again I have yet to do extensive research or the precise math - this is just rough numbers).
 

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Someone please correct me if I've gone wrong somehow, but I was looking to replace my clutch/flywheel recently and found this ebay listing for australian manufactured OEM replacement. The seller has a near-perfect reputation and the item is listed as new GM parts. Considering I never intend to go after monster horsepower, the price was an immediate winner for me.

 
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I have yet to perform an in-depth search for it, but what are the hp/tq numbers on what the stock clutch can hold up to?

I would imagine with 415/415 at the crank, they (GM/Holden engineers) would design/engineer/spec the clutch to hold at the least 498/498 for 1,000,000,000 rotations (again I have yet to do extensive research or the precise math - this is just rough numbers).
I've been wondering the same thing but I'm confident I'm approaching the limit. My setup makes 660whp right now. I just started running 305 45 17 ET street R so it does hook up. I haven't done an digs or hard launches yet but it is holding the power ok. Me thinks a new clutch is gonna be on the list soon (and I think it'll be the monster triple)
 

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I have yet to perform an in-depth search for it, but what are the hp/tq numbers on what the stock clutch can hold up to?

I would imagine with 415/415 at the crank, they (GM/Holden engineers) would design/engineer/spec the clutch to hold at the least 498/498 for 1,000,000,000 rotations (again I have yet to do extensive research or the precise math - this is just rough numbers).
I’m at 470rwhp on my stock clutch, 37k miles no issues.


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Someone please correct me if I've gone wrong somehow, but I was looking to replace my clutch/flywheel recently and found this ebay listing for australian manufactured OEM replacement. The seller has a near-perfect reputation and the item is listed as new GM parts. Considering I never intend to go after monster horsepower, the price was an immediate winner for me.

DUDE!! That may be the find of the century,, if its as good as it appears to be!!!!

GM Parts Direct dot com has those 2 numbers listed for pennies under a total of $850!!!!! NOW that said,,, gonna need the release bearing ($332) and so forth,, but the kit even includes the flywheel bolts too!!! I am SOOOO tempted to order one and put it on the shelf for the inevitable,, its killing me!!! The way my luck runs,,, if I don't suck it up now and wait till I actually NEED all of that,,,, prices will like have doubled or worse!!!

OH Dear!!! Oh My!!! Oh The HORROR,,, DECISIONS DECISIONS!!! Steak now and Ramen Noodles later,,,, orrrr split the difference and then I can at least afford real cheese in my Mac and Cheese diet, when I actually have to tear it down and git it done!!!
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DUDE!! That may be the find of the century,, if its as good as it appears to be!!!!

GM Parts Direct dot com has those 2 numbers listed for pennies under a total of $850!!!!! NOW that said,,, gonna need the release bearing ($332) and so forth,, but the kit even includes the flywheel bolts too!!! I am SOOOO tempted to order one and put it on the shelf for the inevitable,, its killing me!!! The way my luck runs,,, if I don't suck it up now and wait till I actually NEED all of that,,,, prices will like have doubled or worse!!!

OH Dear!!! Oh My!!! Oh The HORROR,,, DECISIONS DECISIONS!!! Steak now and Ramen Noodles later,,,, orrrr split the difference and then I can at least afford real cheese in my Mac and Cheese diet, when I actually have to tear it down and git it done!!!
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It arrived yesterday, it appears to be new OEM parts as described. The exterior of the flywheel and pressure plate have more rust than I would like, but according to others it's totally normal and nothing to worry about. I guess I'm used to getting fresher parts that look like they were just manufactured.

I believe it came with a throwout bearing, there was a small padded envelope with a round piece in it that I have not opened yet. The flywheel bolts were included as advertised.

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It arrived yesterday, it appears to be new OEM parts as described. The exterior of the flywheel and pressure plate have more rust than I would like, but according to others it's totally normal and nothing to worry about. I guess I'm used to getting fresher parts that look like they were just manufactured.

I believe it came with a throwout bearing, there was a small padded envelope with a round piece in it that I have not opened yet. The flywheel bolts were included as advertised.

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My Bad!! I was referring to the slave cylinder,,, which,, depending on the vehicle,,, sometimes comes as part of the release bearing kit. Not the case here!!! Were I you,,, I would replace that slave since it has been tagged as problematic by others here. No point to reuse it and then have to blow it all apart again over approximately $350 (Less on Rock,, but out of stock!!). Since with that item,,, you are only in the parts under $700,,, its still the find of the century,,, vs over $1100 from Dealer sources!!!

Good Find under any circumstances!!! Thanks for that!!

NOW I still gotta figure out where to stash that pallet of Ramen Noodles, I'm gonna need,,, out in the garage!!!

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It arrived yesterday, it appears to be new OEM parts as described. The exterior of the flywheel and pressure plate have more rust than I would like, but according to others it's totally normal and nothing to worry about. I guess I'm used to getting fresher parts that look like they were just manufactured.

I believe it came with a throwout bearing, there was a small padded envelope with a round piece in it that I have not opened yet. The flywheel bolts were included as advertised.

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Very nice.
Any chance you could do a quick weighing of those parts (separately, of course). I'd love to get an accurate weight of the actual items, rather than their shipping weight. Thanks in advance! (y)
 
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