Good posts Spectro.
So it looks like the SS tops out at 155mph.
So it looks like the SS tops out at 155mph.
"Base" SS Starting at $27,535?
Car Buzz had a new article suggesting the SS may be "the performance bargain we've been hoping for" with a base model starting under $30k, and probably around $40k if you splurge on options.
Apparently Car Buzz hasn't seen the actual GM option list for the 2014 SS. Here it is in its entirety:
-Sunroof
So unless GM has developed a $10,000 sunroof (maybe it doubles as a flat screen TV), Car Buzz is way off here. There is no base model. The only SS you can buy is very nicely equipped, and will probably be around $45k.
Here's the article: Chevy SS to Base Below $30k?
Apparently Car Buzz hasn't seen the actual GM option list for the 2014 SS. Here it is in its entirety:
-Sunroof
So unless GM has developed a $10,000 sunroof (maybe it doubles as a flat screen TV), Car Buzz is way off here. There is no base model. The only SS you can buy is very nicely equipped, and will probably be around $45k.
Here's the article: Chevy SS to Base Below $30k?
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Listen to that thing roar around the track at 150+. Then when he brings it down to 55 it's like a different car...totally quiet and civilized. GTO flashbacks, man.Another video, front seat perspective and a little less wind noise.
150mph Daytona Pace Car ride with Brett Bodine - YouTube
**** just watching those videos makes me sad that the car isn't a manual.
It's just screaming to have some gears to row through.
It's just screaming to have some gears to row through.
Dude. You're being overly polite.
I only bite the heads off of uneducated trolls.
I hear ya. But, I'm willing to bet the gearing/manual had everything to do with the GXP performance in that test.
The GXP, by definition, was an ass rape created by GM to bend over the few GM leg humpers that were stupid enough to pay a premium for the engine and transmission that should have been the base drivetrain for the car. GXP pricing should not be used as a comparison for the SS.
With an actual "sales sheet price" on par with a Charger R/T ($29k), the SS will sell to those looking for solid V8 sedan. Offer the drivetrain that SHOULD have launched with the car (LT1/TR6060) at the same price, I think the SS will sell well.
But, the BS decsion to launch with a LS3 and no TR6060 as the base transmission was mistake #1.
Let's hope GM doesn't kill the SS with mistake #2 with a price over $30k.
Try saying that to the GXP guys, they seem to be a rather loyal lot. They clean up on SRT8 Chargers pretty often too. The thing is I was wrong about the article. It was the G8 GT vs the Charger RT.
The G8 should have been made a Chevy in the first place IMO. Ive driven both the G8 GT and GXP and I have to tell you there is a difference in the way the two drive and not just with the power. Why was the GXP so abysmal to you, besides the price?
Because it didn't offer DCT and AWD as OPTIONS!!! DUH!!!! :b
With limited numbers, I don't see a "Base Model" SS. Unless the only option of the sunroof is an extremely expensive one. The design has or should have paid for itself over the years so GM will have alot of flexibility on setting the price to maximize profit. It could still be tough as the SRT Twins design is dated and probably paid for too. Stock for Stock, all the performance numbers I've seen puts the latest iteration of the SRT Twins ahead of the GXP so GM has to come up with something in the performance area of the SS if thats the target they're shooting for. With the 8 speed transmissions coming to the SRT Twins, performance comparisons should be interesting. New or different blood to this market segment could help the SS too. It's all relative until we see the "REAL" SS ou there.
they said it will be limited but i read somewhere they plan to introduce another higher performing model, apparently we're suppose to get word on it when the stingray corvette drops.With limited numbers, I don't see a "Base Model" SS. Unless the only option of the sunroof is an extremely expensive one. The design has or should have paid for itself over the years so GM will have alot of flexibility on setting the price to maximize profit. It could still be tough as the SRT Twins design is dated and probably paid for too. Stock for Stock, all the performance numbers I've seen puts the latest iteration of the SRT Twins ahead of the GXP so GM has to come up with something in the performance area of the SS if thats the target they're shooting for. With the 8 speed transmissions coming to the SRT Twins, performance comparisons should be interesting. New or different blood to this market segment could help the SS too. It's all relative until we see the "REAL" SS ou there.
so in a way the original SS as we know it can be referred as the basemodel.
What are they going to call the high performance version? Super Super Sport?they said it will be limited but i read somewhere they plan to introduce another higher performing model, apparently we're suppose to get word on it when the stingray corvette drops.
so in a way the original SS as we know it can be referred as the basemodel.
Try saying that to the GXP guys, they seem to be a rather loyal lot. They clean up on SRT8 Chargers pretty often too. The thing is I was wrong about the article. It was the G8 GT vs the Charger RT.
The G8 should have been made a Chevy in the first place IMO. Ive driven both the G8 GT and GXP and I have to tell you there is a difference in the way the two drive and not just with the power. Why was the GXP so abysmal to you, besides the price?
Because GM always shoots themselves in the foot with either greed or stupidity when it comes to the number of models/packages it offers and the corresponding pricing.
Chevy, not Pontiac, should have received the Holden and it should have been sold in the GXP trim only with the G8 GT pricepoint. Automatic (torque converter) should have been the optional transmission with the TR6060 as the base trans.
GXP guys make me laugh.
So says the dummy who doesn't know the 1st thing about DCT, or the winter conditions other people have to deal with that warrant AWD.Because it didn't offer DCT and AWD as OPTIONS!!! DUH!!!! :b
It's going to be funny in a few years when almost every car has DCT and the same fools in the peanut gallery here are slobbering over the performance and specs of "GM's new DCT technology".
GXP guys make me laugh..
A truely happy owner won't care if you are lauging at them or not, and those GXP guys love their cars. Truth be told, if a good enough deal pops up on a used one I wouldn't refuse it.
LOL good question. "SS" is the highest Chevrolet gets with performance model naming. If the higher performance model actually happens I can't see them create a whole new model above "SS" to put it. Instead the higher performance model just might be an update to my best guess.What are they going to call the high performance version? Super Super Sport?
Oh no! He called me a Dummy! Whatever shall I do?
It's amazing how many cars are sold in the north part of the country that don't have AWD.
I lived there in the snow belt and dealt with lake effect snow for 10 years. But you're right. I have no idea... I also drove a 72 Chevy Impala 2 door the entire time I lived there. No problems dealing with snow if you know what you are doing. AWD is awesome if you want it and don't mind some of the downsides it provides.
I also have no problem with DCT. I thinkg they are awesome. I would love to have one on a car.
The difference is I'm not crying about them not being offered on the 2014 Chevy SS as an option.
GM/Holden have not designed a DCT or AWD system that will work on this End of Life platform.
You have never been able to specifically point to the exact system that GM currently has available right now that will fit in the VF platform and be ready for sale by 4th Quarter of 2013. That means designed, built, tested, commercialized, and certified. Not some mythical 3rd party product that has never been built, much less tested and certified.
You keep talking about all this industry experience you have but it sounds like you don't even understand how much time/effort/money it takes to build and certify a drivetrain for mass production.
If GM/Holden are really only building 5000 2014 Chevy SS's the percentage of those selling with AWD and/or DCT would mean you would see small number of cars with those options.
Why in the world would GM/Holden spend millions of dollars in development and certification to provide AWD and DCT as an option on a platform that is going to last 24 months and sell less than 10K units in the lifespan?
But I'm the dummy. Got it. Thanks for the name calling. It really proves your argument.
It's amazing how many cars are sold in the north part of the country that don't have AWD.
I lived there in the snow belt and dealt with lake effect snow for 10 years. But you're right. I have no idea... I also drove a 72 Chevy Impala 2 door the entire time I lived there. No problems dealing with snow if you know what you are doing. AWD is awesome if you want it and don't mind some of the downsides it provides.
I also have no problem with DCT. I thinkg they are awesome. I would love to have one on a car.
The difference is I'm not crying about them not being offered on the 2014 Chevy SS as an option.
GM/Holden have not designed a DCT or AWD system that will work on this End of Life platform.
You have never been able to specifically point to the exact system that GM currently has available right now that will fit in the VF platform and be ready for sale by 4th Quarter of 2013. That means designed, built, tested, commercialized, and certified. Not some mythical 3rd party product that has never been built, much less tested and certified.
You keep talking about all this industry experience you have but it sounds like you don't even understand how much time/effort/money it takes to build and certify a drivetrain for mass production.
If GM/Holden are really only building 5000 2014 Chevy SS's the percentage of those selling with AWD and/or DCT would mean you would see small number of cars with those options.
Why in the world would GM/Holden spend millions of dollars in development and certification to provide AWD and DCT as an option on a platform that is going to last 24 months and sell less than 10K units in the lifespan?
But I'm the dummy. Got it. Thanks for the name calling. It really proves your argument.
Or SS ZL1LOL good question. "SS" is the highest Chevrolet gets with performance model naming. If the higher performance model actually happens I can't see them create a whole new model above "SS" to put it. Instead the higher performance model just might be an update to my best guess.
I thought about that but didn't want to say it cause I think it will be confusing.Or SS ZL1
ZL1 as you know, falls under the SS, right?
It can make sense to some since SS is the vehicles name and ZLI being the trim. But still, I don't agree with it.
Your manufacturing points are valid.AWD is awesome if you want it and don't mind some of the downsides it provides.
I also have no problem with DCT. I thinkg they are awesome. I would love to have one on a car.
The difference is I'm not crying about them not being offered on the 2014 Chevy SS as an option.
GM/Holden have not designed a DCT or AWD system that will work on this End of Life platform.
If GM/Holden are really only building 5000 2014 Chevy SS's the percentage of those selling with AWD and/or DCT would mean you would see small number of cars with those options.
Why in the world would GM/Holden spend millions of dollars in development and certification to provide AWD and DCT as an option on a platform that is going to last 24 months and sell less than 10K units in the lifespan?
However, the current chassis should have had AWD and DCT in the works FROM THE BEGINNING.
Holden already did a AWD Commodore 10 years ago.
DCT has been offered by other manufacturers since the launch of the current chassis, and other manufacturers have been offering DCT on their entry level cars.
Sure, I have driven 600+++ rwhp cars through harsh winters.
But guess what? I don't NEED to do that anymore.
Because other manufacturers offer me OPTIONS that GM has refused to offer.
So, what am I supposed to do?
Say "Good job GM!" when I know they failed?
Or , even worse, buy a inferior car just to support the car company I am a fan of ????
That's just stupid.
I am going to publicly call GM out on their failures in the hope that they get things right in the near future.
The next Camro, Holden, SS Sedan, ATS, and CTS should all be designed from the BEGINNING to offer AWD and DCT to those that are willing to pay for it.
If not, GM continues to fail.
The current SS Sedan can be a success if priced right, and gets a LT1 and TR6060 ASAP.
And you just summed of the issue with the GXP: GM overpriced the thing as a ploy to ass rape buyers for options that should have been standard on the base car to begin with, and those same GXP owners that were ass raped by GM are trying to perpetuate the rape on used buyers. GXP sellers need to get realistic real quick.A truely happy owner won't care if you are lauging at them or not, and those GXP guys love their cars. Truth be told, if a good enough deal pops up on a used one I wouldn't refuse it.
If not, GXP owners should love those cars for life, and current shoppers should just buy a SS Sedan or CTS-V instead.
Odd way to look at it. Nobody got "ass-raped" by anybody. These were grown men who found a car they liked and paid what was necessary to buy it. They still like the car five years later. The fact that the GXP has barely depreciated (about 24% in five years) isn't proof that ass-raped GXP owners were so anally violated and betrayed they feel the need to ass-rape buyers on the secondary market. It's just proof that it remains a desirable car.And you just summed of the issue with the GXP: GM overpriced the thing as a ploy to ass rape buyers for options that should have been standard on the base car to begin with, and those same GXP owners that were ass raped by GM are trying to perpetuate the rape on used buyers. GXP sellers need to get realistic real quick.
If not, GXP owners should love those cars for life, and current shoppers should just buy a SS Sedan or CTS-V instead.
The market has spoken on the GXP, loudly. It was a desirable car new. It remains a desirable car today. Desirable things are expensive to obtain.
Those "values" are a joke.
Anyone who is willing to pay that amount is crazy.
I'm looking forward to the floor falling out of the G8 market.
Anyone who is willing to pay that amount is crazy.
I'm looking forward to the floor falling out of the G8 market.
No. Those values represent the car's perceived value and desirability. You may not share that perception, but your opinion is of no consequence. Anyone willing to pay that amount will get a car they want at a price they're willing to pay. Nothing crazy about that. It's how commerce works.Those "values" are a joke.
Anyone who is willing to pay that amount is crazy.
I'm looking forward to the floor falling out of the G8 market.
Do you believe that G8 owners are somehow all conspiring to price-fix value on the secondary market? Does that even make sense?
Now maybe next Sunday 60 Minutes will do a story about how G8s emit dangerous radiation and the bottom drops out of the market for them, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Holden builds nice cars. Americans who've experienced one tend to really like it. I've owned one and I completely understand. Too much money for too little car in your opinion...don't buy one. Find a better performance value and buy that instead.
And you just summed of the issue with the GXP: GM overpriced the thing as a ploy to ass rape buyers for options that should have been standard on the base car to begin with, and those same GXP owners that were ass raped by GM are trying to perpetuate the rape on used buyers. GXP sellers need to get realistic real quick.
If not, GXP owners should love those cars for life, and current shoppers should just buy a SS Sedan or CTS-V instead.
The owners don't think they got ass raped. For them the GXP was the best fit. I don't think for a minute that GXP owners are trying to shaft the people they sell thier cars to.
Ok you are an exec right? If you have a product that you are willing to sell and a market that will buy your product at the price you set then untill someone sells a similar product at a cheaper price then that product will sell at the price you set.
If the GXP was such a horrible deal then the GXP would not have sold out. You can't account every sale to suckers buying the car either.
Not only Americans. Brazilians, South Africans, Saudis... Everywhere I've seen these cars sold, people have fond memories of them as best bang for your buck. Even Top Gear had nice things to say for the Monaro/VXR8/Maloo.Holden builds nice cars. Americans who've experienced one tend to really like it. I've owned one and I completely understand. Too much money for too little car in your opinion...don't buy one. Find a better performance value and buy that instead.
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