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I ran across this little tidbit of news/rumor yesterday

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July 22, 2013

Chevrolet and GMC have begun a top-to-bottom overhaul of their truck lineups, which include some of the highest-volume, most profitable vehicles that GM sells.

Chevrolet SS: The Australia-built rear-wheel-drive performance sedan will hit showrooms late this year as a 2014 model, with a 6.2-liter V-8 engine that produces 415 hp.The car is built on GM's rwd Zeta platform, an underpinning on which the Chevy Camaro also rides. Production of a next-generation SS likely will shift to the United States in 2015 or 2016 with a move to GM's new Alpha platform, which underpins the Cadillac ATS and will host the next-gen Camaro.
 

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thanks but this is old news, I think I actually posted some info on production being moved to the U.S. in 2015 and on. To add to this, after production shifts and RWD VF commodore production ceases, Holden will build future commodores on a FWD platform.
 

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With some of the criticism that I’ve seen over the SS naming, I could see this speculated Alpha based sedan having a new name.

The one positive I see with this is that if the Zeta based Chevrolet SS is only around for 2 (or 3) model years, it should be a real long-term collector car.
 

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With some of the criticism that I’ve seen over the SS naming, I could see this speculated Alpha based sedan having a new name.

The one positive I see with this is that if the Zeta based Chevrolet SS is only around for 2 (or 3) model years, it should be a real long-term collector car.
That's very possible, but with a future performance sedan being on the Alpha platform it might be the start of what a flagship performance sedan holding the SS badge should be, not that the current SS isn't deserving of the "SS" name but there are obvious areas where changes need to be made to make a good car great.
If they do change the name when it comes time to move to an Alpha-based Chevy performance sedan, what do you think the name could be?

I can see that happening, very practical with a flagship model being produced in limited numbers for a limited time, at least when compared to others like it.
 

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thanks but this is old news, I think I actually posted some info on production being moved to the U.S. in 2015 and on. To add to this, after production shifts and RWD VF commodore production ceases, Holden will build future commodores on a FWD platform.
Sorry (I've read the hopeful speculation as well). Just that this is the first semi-conformation I've really seen from a reputable auto industry news source.

Plus I think this ties into the recent rumors of a Buick (Regal) GN/GNX making a return. It'll most likely be a direct cousin.
 

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That's very possible, but with a future performance sedan being on the Alpha platform it might be the start of what a flagship performance sedan holding the SS badge should be, not that the current SS isn't deserving of the "SS" name but there are obvious areas where changes need to be made to make a good car great.
If they do change the name when it comes time to move to an Alpha-based Chevy performance sedan, what do you think the name could be?

I can see that happening, very practical with a flagship model being produced in limited numbers for a limited time, at least when compared to others like it.
I would really love the name Chevelle. Not only would it be a great heritage name to revive, but would allow the flexibility to offer different levels of performance models - Base, RS, and SS. Which would open up the car to more consumers.

There also had been some rumors over the last few years that both the SS and Impala could eventually merge into one vehicle past 2016. If that were to happen (though I really doubt), I could see the Impala name being moved to this new sedan.
 

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Sorry (I've read the hopeful speculation as well). Just that this is the first semi-conformation I've really seen from a reputable auto industry news source.

Plus I think this ties into the recent rumors of a Buick (Regal) GN/GNX making a return. It'll most likely be a direct cousin.
That's understandable.

I also heard about the return of the Regal/GN/GNX, hopefully it will in some ways stay true to the original Regal/GN/GNX in some ways, the original car is ICONIC!

The next Camaro will also make a shift to the Alpha platform, i'll post more Alpha platform related info as I find them :)





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General Motors is Busy with development of the next-generation Chevrolet Camaro.

GM consider the current car as a big success, and the automaker is cautiously taking steps to avoid screwing up the next generation pony.

The car is due in the fall of 2015.

What’s the issue? Well, there are several, says Al Oppenheiser, Camaro’s chief engineer.

Weight reduction is one.

“We always get hammered for mass, and that’s not going to be getting easier going forward” with the upcoming CAFE regulations, Oppenheiser said.

“Displacement, number of cylinders, all of these things you need to think about.”

Then there’s styling.

“This is a very successful car,” he said during an interview this month at a Chevrolet press event. “In some ways it is actually going to be tougher” to create the redesigned car, which will be the Camaro’s sixth generation.

“Do you make it look like a second-gen?” he said, refering to the 1970-1981 Camaro. Or “do you make it look like the first gen?” — a reference to the 1967-1969 model.

Oppenheiser won’t say which direction the team is leaning, but you can understand the concern.

Camaro held 42 percent of the rear-drive performance coupe market in 2011, composed of the Ford Mustang, Dodge Challenger and a recent newcomer, the Hyundai Genesis coupe.

Chevrolet sold 88,249 Camaros last year, followed by Mustang, 70,438, and the Challenger, 39,534.

This year the Camaro has nearly 40 percent of the market. Mustang sales are up, giving it about 35 percent share.

On the horizon is the redesigned Mustang, expected for the 2015 model, the car’s 50th anniversary. Though Oppenheiser didn’t mention it, the new Mustang has the potential to become the No. 1 player, surpassing Camaro.

Oppenheiser stays in close communication with Tom Peters, design director for GM’s performance cars. Peters’ group is designing the next Camaro.

“We talk with our teams about what would you do to top the current Camaro or not top it, at least make sure you don’t lose what you have today.”

Said Oppenheiser: “We always have to stay fresh and ahead. But we do not want to lose the fact that we have nearly 40 percent of the market.”

Details of the All New 2015 Camaro Leaked | USAutoDaily
 

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Possible engines for the Alpha platform on non-Cadillac GM vehicles listed below. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a forced induction V6 added eventually, especially with the way the industry is moving to be more 'green'

Recently discovered General Motors trademark applications for LT4, LT5, LT88 and LTX have observers wondering what kind of high-performance offerings could be on their way. A new LT4 would mark a return of the engine designation first used on the Corvette Grand Sport, SLP Pontiac Firehawk and SLP Chevrolet Camaro SS from 1996 and 1997. Supposition at Corvette Forum – which provided advance intel on the C7 like these leaked images – believes a new LT4 could go into the high-performance trim of the next-gen, 2015 Camaro that would be more powerful than the 580-horsepower Camaro ZL1.

Seeing an LT5 again would also be déjà vu – in its former life it was a 5.7-liter V8 for the C4 Corvette ZR-1 from 1990-1994 designed by Lotus, producing from 370 hp to 405 hp. A mix of rumor and hope is that the new LT5 will be a supercharged evolution of the 6.2-liter LT1 (pictured) placed in the new C7 Corvette, and that it will go into the C7 version of the ZR1 pumping out something like 700 hp.

The LTX trademark is, as with that last letter, a complete mystery. If the "X" isn't a generic way to denote the whole LT family, it's wondered if it LTX could refer to a crate motor offering like the LSX. Pictures: Chevrolet Corvette LT1 6.2-liter small block V8 Photo Gallery - Autoblog
Original Thread: GM applies for LT5, LTX trademarks... are new small block variants coming?
 

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thanks but this is old news, I think I actually posted some info on production being moved to the U.S. in 2015 and on. To add to this, after production shifts and RWD VF commodore production ceases, Holden will build future commodores on a FWD platform.
If you really think about it, this could wind up being a nightmare scenario for the Australian Holden market/fans of their RWD sedans.

Their popular rwd Commodore line will be moved to a cousin to the fwd Impala, while here in North America we have a resurgence of rwd sedans. And what would be a a real real insult-to-injury, GM of NA would export a specialty rwd performance sedan to Australia.

But it could just be the cold hard reality of shifting markets between the two markets.

My question now is, where would this leave the larger zeta Caprice PPV. Would that have to be downsized to this new 2016 Alpha+ sedan?
 

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If you really think about it, this could wind up being a nightmare scenario for the Australian Holden market/fans of their RWD sedans.

Their popular rwd Commodore line will be moved to a cousin to the rwd Impala, while here in North America we have a resurgence of rwd sedans. And what would be a a real real insult-to-injury, GM of NA would export a specialty rwd performance sedan to Australia.

But it could just be the cold hard reality of shifting markets between the two markets.

My question now is, where would this leave the larger zeta Caprice PPV. Would that have to be downsized to this new 2016 Alpha+ sedan?
If Holden is smart they will have FWD Commodores with the option to go AWD which could leave some people happy. I just hope it's an AWD system that isn't heavily FWD biased.

Downsizing is very possible for the Zeta Caprice PPV to Alpha, but as is, it's great for general police use, but any increase to fuel efficiency on police vehicles that rake up tons of miles and are on idle a lot will be better.

btw i just posted a new thread you may be interested in.... Holden can't build Commodore SS V fast enough, wait lists going into 2014
 

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Downsizing is very possible for the Zeta Caprice PPV to Alpha, but as is, it's great for general police use, but any increase to fuel efficiency on police vehicles that rake up tons of miles and are on idle a lot will be better.
Or could the Caprice move to a cheaper version of the larger Omega platform Cadillac is currently working on?

Either way, I'm very happy will all of these recent developments. :)
 

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My question now is, where would this leave the larger zeta Caprice PPV. Would that have to be downsized to this new 2016 Alpha+ sedan?
My understanding from press here in Australia is that Holden have said it is quite possible to continue the zeta platform and PPV and SS beyond 2016 if market forces demand it. Holden have quite a lot of experience at bolting together disparate platforms one after the other on the same production line.

My personal take is Holden will make PPV for as many years as there is demand for it. It could end up being the new Crown Vic as far as longevity is concerned.
 

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My understanding from press here in Australia is that Holden have said it is quite possible to continue the zeta platform and PPV and SS beyond 2016 if market forces demand it. Holden have quite a lot of experience at bolting together disparate platforms one after the other on the same production line.
Not trying to be negative, but that could also be a hopeful PR spin by Holden to try and save it's manufacturing from closing down after 2016. Though they appear to be healthier than Ford in AU, Holden is still in a precarious situation. And that's why they are in serious negotiations with the Australian Government to help save them.
 

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do you think there's a chance they will adopt the Omega platform that cadillac's flagship luxury sedan will be on? i think it's going to be called the LTS
 
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