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09-14-2019 08:41 AM
wilkin4 Finally saw a Tesla Model 3 on the road yesterday, first one I have seen......
09-14-2019 03:40 AM
CB750 Well this is interesting and something I and am sure 99.99% of the world's population didn't know:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197

What famous genius said "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" ???
09-10-2019 12:48 PM
willy92 That's gonna catch up with them, one day.
09-10-2019 08:07 AM
speedrye https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/09/...driving-tesla/
09-05-2019 06:44 PM
willy92 In case anyone was wondering,... that Tesla with the "76D" on the back...handed me my hat, on the way home from work, the other day. He dusted me, on the left and an Infiniti, on the right of him, to get in front of the Infiniti to make a turn. Me and the guy in the Infiniti were sayin' DAAAAANNNNGGG!!!

We only did like 0-45, but thats all it took! The guy in the Tesla must have gotten dizzy from those g's on that acceleration run!

Now I know!
09-05-2019 05:23 PM
CB750
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Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
No, they wouldn't have. They were going straight to liquidation without and the government was the lender of last resort in 2008-09. This is an irrefutable fact.

CAFE standards were done with the automaker's buy in and in fact they've even resisted agreeing to relaxing fuel economy standards.

The "mess" they are in now is due to management decisions, and I offer Cadillac as the prime example. The union has little to do with it and if you look at the wage structure of the last contract negotiated during the bailout, the unions aren't making great wages hence the push to strike.

*not now nor have I ever been a union member of any sort
1001% correct!!!
09-05-2019 08:56 AM
NHRATA01
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Originally Posted by So_In_Boiler View Post
I think GM would be in better shape if they never received a "bailout." Now the union owns a large part of GM. Union over reach is one of the reasons they are in the mess they are in now. Plus the CAFE standards and truck tarrifs that the government implemented.
No, they wouldn't have. They were going straight to liquidation without and the government was the lender of last resort in 2008-09. This is an irrefutable fact.

CAFE standards were done with the automaker's buy in and in fact they've even resisted agreeing to relaxing fuel economy standards.

The "mess" they are in now is due to management decisions, and I offer Cadillac as the prime example. The union has little to do with it and if you look at the wage structure of the last contract negotiated during the bailout, the unions aren't making great wages hence the push to strike.

*not now nor have I ever been a union member of any sort
09-04-2019 02:10 PM
Yoram
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Originally Posted by 15SuperSport View Post
Probably would have sufficed. It just seemed to me like you were calling out your fellow SS owners in a way.
The two cars are really apples and oranges. One is an old school RWD pushrod V8 with a few dated amenities offered. The other is what many believe to be a glimpse of the automobile's future. I certainly don't mind giving credit where it is due, in this case the acceleration alone is extremely impressive. Once the tech offered in the Tesla is refined, the fit and finish is uniform, the self driving capabilities are just that, and the range includes a road trip, it will be a difficult package to compete with. Until then, it will still be one fast S.O.B., and my SS will still sound better at the stoplight.
100% agreed except highlighted part -- I'm one of them/us!! Why would I call me out?
I simply seek perspective, not one-dimensional characterizations; to me almost nothing is just black or white (well, except my VF which is black and most Tesla S's which seem to be white...)
We can expand the point to owning a Lotus or a Citroen DS... lots of imperfections and lots of passion. Automotive passion exists and is legitimate also outside the world of RWD V8's and internal combustion, even if we don't share it.
09-04-2019 02:01 PM
So_In_Boiler
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Originally Posted by pottypants View Post

GM had 100 years to get their act straight. only reason they are still around is because of the gov bailout.

remember corvettes have some funky problem where you can get locked inside the car if battery dies. one guy recently actually died older guy.

ppp
I think GM would be in better shape if they never received a "bailout." Now the union owns a large part of GM. Union over reach is one of the reasons they are in the mess they are in now. Plus the CAFE standards and truck tarrifs that the government implemented.
09-04-2019 01:36 PM
15SuperSport
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Originally Posted by Yoram View Post
Yeah, I could have left the supercharging and camming comment out and just mentioned that the a stock Tesla Model S P100D is the fastest accelerating production 4 door, period.
My point is that there is reason for Tesla owner excitement/emotional attachment beyond just having no tail pipes.
(P.S., I am not a Tesla owner or enthusiast, but let's give credit where it's due.)
Probably would have sufficed. It just seemed to me like you were calling out your fellow SS owners in a way.
The two cars are really apples and oranges. One is an old school RWD pushrod V8 with a few dated amenities offered. The other is what many believe to be a glimpse of the automobile's future. I certainly don't mind giving credit where it is due, in this case the acceleration alone is extremely impressive. Once the tech offered in the Tesla is refined, the fit and finish is uniform, the self driving capabilities are just that, and the range includes a road trip, it will be a difficult package to compete with. Until then, it will still be one fast S.O.B., and my SS will still sound better at the stoplight.
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